Same-Sex Marriage Consultation Responses

The Vestry met on Monday evening and in the course of its business discussed how to respond to the Scottish Government Consultation on Civil Partnerships and Same-Sex Marriage. The full response is available here.

This is the way in which the first question on Religious Civil Partnerships was answered:

Question: Do you agree that legislation should be changed so that civil partnerships could be registered through religious ceremonies?
Answer: Yes. St Mary’s Cathedral congregation contains significant variety in its views and this response, on behalf of the Vestry, will reflect that variety. However, the Cathedral sees its basic mission as one of reflecting God’s love for all people and to promote that by being “open, inclusive and welcoming” to all. A significant number of our members are in long term caring and loving same sex relationships. Some of them who have registered a civil partnership speak of the hurt and exclusion they felt because their civil partnership ceremony specifically excluded any religious component. One member of our congregation summed this up as follows: “While those of different faith backgrounds may struggle to find a minister willing to marry them, they can still have a civil ceremony that involves religious elements because and only because they are of the opposite sex. I am denied this because and only because I am gay.”
We believe that the majority of our congregation would support the proposal addressed in this question, while recognising that some of our members remain unhappy at linking same sex partnerships to a religious service.

With regards to Same-Sex Marriage, the response is as follows:

Question: Do you agree that the law in Scotland should be changed to allow same sex marriage?
Answer: Yes.

Inevitably, there is a range of views within our congregation on this matter.
Marriage as an institution has evolved over time, both in civil society and within the church. For example, the current wording of our marriage liturgy is very different from that used in the past, recognising equality of both partners within the marriage rather than the older view of subservience of the wife to her husband.
Many of us believe that the settled and loving relationship of a same sex couple can, and from our experience does, reflect and show forth God’s grace, just as an opposite sex relationship or marriage can. On that basis, as the union of those individuals has the sacramental characteristic of showing God’s love, marriage should be open to those same sex couples who wish to have marriage. We believe that is a majority view in our congregation.
Others amongst us, while not necessarily disagreeing that God’s grace can be manifest in a same sex relationship, take a more traditional view of what constitutes marriage. They hold, for example, that it is the mystical union of a man and woman with a necessary link to the potential procreation of children. Those members of our congregation, therefore, believe that marriage is an inappropriate term for the formal union of same sex couples. Many of those who hold this view, have no objection to a religious ceremony to mark a same sex union so long as it is not called marriage.

The Vestry also made this comment in connection with Transgendered people

We hope that if same sex marriage is introduced this will resolve the cruel dilemma currently faced by a married couple when one of the partners has gender reassignment. Not infrequently, such couples decide to continue as a partnership, supporting one another before, through and after the reassignment, yet they have to divorce one another before the gender change is legally recognised.

In other news, the Scottish Episcopal Church’s formal response from the Faith and Order Board was published earlier today. I may well blog about it later.

I would encourage everyone who cares about this issue to make a personal response to the Scottish Government – there are only a couple of days left to do so. You can do so by using the simple form at the Equal Marriage website.

Consultation on Civil Partnerships and Same-Sex Marriage

This week the Scottish Government’s consultation on civil partnerships and same-sex marriage comes to a close. The Scottish Episcopal Church’s response has been prepared by the Faith and Order Board which Bishop Gregor convenes and that will be published some time in the next few days. It would be surprising if that formal response contained anything new and anything other than the usual fig-leaf response which says things which appear negative because we are told that we don’t have a formal liturgy for marrying such couples and because the General Synod has never given a moment of debate in all its existence to the question at hand.

Individuals and groups are encouraged to respond to this consultation and can do so a little more creatively if they wish. It is already emerging that it is one of the consultations which has attracted a huge response.

Last month, the Vestry took the decision to make a response to this consultation but decided that they wanted to let the congregation know about that before doing so. This week the Vestry will be making a response to this consultation.

One or two people have asked me how the Vestry can respond to this when there will be different views within the congregation. I think that it is very much those different views which the government are looking to capture at this point in time. It is clear that the congregation includes quite a lot of people who want the government to legislate for change. After all, quite a few people from St Mary’s were involved in collecting signatures for the petition which was presented on this subject in the last parliament. However it would surprising if there were not those who take a different view. (We do diversity at St Mary’s, even on this topic!) After all, I was very much against opening up marriage to same-sex couples until just a few years ago. It was only after having blessed a couple of couples entering Civil Partnerships that my own view changed. I realised then that what those couples were doing was creating for themselves and their families and friends a ceremony that I already knew very well indeed, having worked through it with countless straight couples before. I also realised that people were yearning for something sacramental. That’s why it is so inadequate and so hurtful for the churches to respond to such couples with the view that they can have something like a marriage but not called a marriage and which the church is squeamish about naming as something which can convey the grace of God.

I’ve sent Vestry members a paper setting out what I think the terms can be in which we can respond. I thought it might be helpful to publish a few of the comments that I’ve made to the vestry here too so that people know the nature of what is being attempted. It also might be helpful when thinking about responding to other consultations and may also be helpful to others further afield.

What I’ve said to the Vestry includes the following points:

  • The aim is to make a response to a consultation paper, not to set policy for the congregation.
  • No member of the Vestry is required to hold or express any view other than their own either before or after next Monday’s meeting on any of the questions raised by the consultation. However all Vestry members are expected to support publicly the decision made at the last meeting to make a congregational response.
  • The nature of a consultation response from an organisation is that it is very likely that there will not be unanimity of view either in the congregation or in the Vestry. The government want to know this. For this reason, it is very likely that our response to some questions might be in the form, “Some of us think X whilst others think Y.” or “We have a number of different views about this in the congregation but believe the dominant view to be Z” or “Like most religious groups we have a diversity of opinion on this matter and cannot come to a mind” or “Whilst a majority of us think X, some of us think Y and we will need to seek ways in which to manage these differences.”
  • To some questions, we might respond with a series of quotes from different people showing a range of opinion.
  • The object of the exercise is to reflect views to Government so that the Government has the best possible chance of legislating in a way that the churches and faith organisations can work most easily with. The point of this exercise is not to come to unity of agreement on every point.
  • Vestry members may wish to seek out members of the congregation who are in marriages and civil partnerships in order to hear their views. The congregation includes people who are cohabiting, people who are in civil partnerships, people who are in opposite sex marriage and people who are in same-sex marriage (entered into abroad). It also, of course, includes many single people who will also have views about these institutions.

We’ve been printing the website for the government consultation paper on the pew notes for a couple of weeks and also a simpler response form that the Equality Network have set up to make it easier for people to make responses.

Meeting with Bishop Gregor re Same Sex Marriage consultation

Our bishops in the Scottish Episcopal Church are behaving rather differently towards the same-sex marriage consultation than the leaders of some churches. Instead of fulminating publicly about it, there is a different response which seems to me to be a bit more grown up.

This week, Bishop Gregor is offering an opportunity for members of the diocese (clergy and laity) to discuss issues raised with regard to the Scottish Government’s Consultation on Civil Partnership and Same-Sex Marriage.

Here’s his invitation:

The document can be found here:
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2011/09/05153328/0 if you intend to come along to the afternoon it will be beneficial to have previously read the document.

The Provincial Faith and Order Board are preparing a response on behalf of the Scottish Episcopal Church.

Please note that this afternoon is not to produce a response from this diocese, although the Scottish Government would welcome individual and group responses to the document by Friday December 9th.

The meeting takes place at 2 pm in St Bartholomew’s Church in Gourock on Saturday 19 November 2011. (UPDATED to show correct date)

I think that’s a good thing. There doesn’t seem to be any great hysteria in our church about this. We know that some churches will not want to get involved and I’m sure that most people welcome the assurances that no-one is going to be forced to celebrate any religious wedding that they don’t want to. (No-one has a right to be married by any particular religious person or group at the moment, so this will simply remain the case). There will be those in our church who want to proceed to marry same-sex couples and there will be those who will not. The best way for us to stick together as a denomination is by respecting all such views just as we have done with regard to blessing couples who have had a civil partnership. No-one has been forced to bless such couples. Some people have blessed such couples. It is very similar indeed to the case of couples where at least one party has been married before. There are some clergy who will not conduct such ceremonies but there are plenty of us who do and there is a thoughtful pastoral process to enable such weddings to take place.

Thus there is already divergent practise over both blessings and marriage. The world has not ended by that diversity and our unity in Christ remains unbroken.

The World Last Tuesday Night

I was on The World Tonight on Radio 4 last Tuesday. I was talking about the way that Scotland could be ahead of England in the same-sex marriage business and could be a place that people come to again from across the UK in order to get married when they can’t get married elsewhere.

Both Gretna and Portpatrick might have wedding booms once again. (And Gretna still does an enormous trade in weddings).

It is a nicely put together montage of voices and even features the bells from St Mary’s.

You’ve only got today to listen to it on iPlayer – it will disappear sometime tomorrow.

Here’s the link – iPlayer World Tonight

The segment starts at about 38 minutes 45 seconds.

(I get double points for suggesting that someone in Gretna might be painting their anvil pink).

Gay Marriage in Church in Sweden

The Church of Sweden, with which the Scottish Episcopal Church is in Full Communion, has just voted to open marriage to same-sex couples as well as straight couples. The word equivalent to “matrimony” will be used for all couples.

Something to welcome. Something to celebrate.