Comments on: What’s going on in America? http://www.thurible.net/20090716/whats-going-on-in-america/ The Blog of the Provost of St Mary's Cathedral, Glasgow Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:51:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: brimcmike http://www.thurible.net/20090716/whats-going-on-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-9434 brimcmike Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:15:12 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=6251#comment-9434 Provision from the Right Reverend +M. Thomas Shaw, SSJE, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Massachusetts, "Diocesan clergy now allowed to marry all eligible couples" http://www.diomass.org/diocesan-news/diocesan-clergy-now-allowed-marry-all-eligible-couples One person's blog response to this provision: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2009/11/30/95355/987 Provision from the Right Reverend +M. Thomas Shaw, SSJE, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Massachusetts,
“Diocesan clergy now allowed to marry all eligible couples”
http://www.diomass.org/diocesan-news/diocesan-clergy-now-allowed-marry-all-eligible-couples

One person’s blog response to this provision: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2009/11/30/95355/987

]]> By: brad evans http://www.thurible.net/20090716/whats-going-on-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-9050 brad evans Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:22:09 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=6251#comment-9050 I've decided to be completely honest and bring my "manner of living" into line with what I confess. Since I don't live in an area with minorities, I've decided to stop saying that "diversity" is a good thing. It's just more honest, more consistent, to bring what I say into line with what I do. It's about time that the 95% white Episcopal church follows my lead. You've been preaching "diversity" for years but have remained overwhelmingly white, middle to upper middle class. One or the other has to go-and quickly-for you to remain honest. I’ve decided to be completely honest and bring my “manner of living” into line with what I confess. Since I don’t live in an area with minorities, I’ve decided to stop saying that “diversity” is a good thing. It’s just more honest, more consistent, to bring what I say into line with what I do.
It’s about time that the 95% white Episcopal church follows my lead. You’ve been preaching “diversity” for years but have remained overwhelmingly white, middle to upper middle class. One or the other has to go-and quickly-for you to remain honest.

]]> By: Lawrence L. Graham http://www.thurible.net/20090716/whats-going-on-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-8779 Lawrence L. Graham Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:23:11 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=6251#comment-8779 Bless you sir, you have hit the nail squarely on the head; and done so elegantly. Bless you sir, you have hit the nail squarely on the head; and done so elegantly.

]]> By: Amelia Hagen http://www.thurible.net/20090716/whats-going-on-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-8761 Amelia Hagen Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:57:40 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=6251#comment-8761 What a breath of fresh air. Thank you for a most sensible post. What a breath of fresh air. Thank you for a most sensible post.

]]> By: Ormonde Plater http://www.thurible.net/20090716/whats-going-on-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-8760 Ormonde Plater Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:38:57 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=6251#comment-8760 From an American, let me say thank you. And I remind everybody that the ancient tradition requires only three bishops to ordain another bishop. All these canonical barriers that require massive consents by many bishops and synods are a modern innovation. From an American, let me say thank you. And I remind everybody that the ancient tradition requires only three bishops to ordain another bishop. All these canonical barriers that require massive consents by many bishops and synods are a modern innovation.

]]> By: GC Quoteables « Grain and Wine and Oil http://www.thurible.net/20090716/whats-going-on-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-8757 GC Quoteables « Grain and Wine and Oil Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:31:43 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=6251#comment-8757 [...] Kelvin Holdsworth, “What’s Going on in America?,” What’s in Kelvin’s [...] [...] Kelvin Holdsworth, “What’s Going on in America?,” What’s in Kelvin’s [...]

]]> By: MoAmy+ http://www.thurible.net/20090716/whats-going-on-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-8749 MoAmy+ Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:39:07 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=6251#comment-8749 Thank you for your thoughtful post. I have deeply appreciated the prayers of friends in Glasgow & Galloway during the General Convention. As a deputy, it has been sad to see our work so misunderstood in so many places. It might be helpful for folks to read the report on the committee of the whole if they are seeking to understand how we approached the issue: http://ntshtumbler.googlepages.com/COMMITTEEOFTHEWHOLE.doc Thanks for your continued prayers and fellowship. Thank you for your thoughtful post. I have deeply appreciated the prayers of friends in Glasgow & Galloway during the General Convention. As a deputy, it has been sad to see our work so misunderstood in so many places. It might be helpful for folks to read the report on the committee of the whole if they are seeking to understand how we approached the issue: http://ntshtumbler.googlepages.com/COMMITTEEOFTHEWHOLE.doc

Thanks for your continued prayers and fellowship.

]]> By: David |Dah • veed| http://www.thurible.net/20090716/whats-going-on-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-8748 David |Dah • veed| Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:39:11 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=6251#comment-8748 It is called the Final Media Briefing in the videos on demand, however TCJackson's link has an error, it should be; http://gchub.episcopalchurch.org/ It is called the Final Media Briefing in the videos on demand, however TCJackson’s link has an error, it should be;
http://gchub.episcopalchurch.org/

]]> By: tcjackson http://www.thurible.net/20090716/whats-going-on-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-8747 tcjackson Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:36:18 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=6251#comment-8747 FYI: Your post was cited in a question at the GC closing media conference (see it @ http://gchub.episcopalchurch.org/) and one reporter went on a bit about who you are. We, of course, think you are wonderful, perceptive and brilliant! FYI: Your post was cited in a question at the GC closing media conference (see it @ http://gchub.episcopalchurch.org/) and one reporter went on a bit about who you are. We, of course, think you are wonderful, perceptive and brilliant!

]]> By: Bob Chapman http://www.thurible.net/20090716/whats-going-on-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-8746 Bob Chapman Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:45:49 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=6251#comment-8746 The "confusion" comes from not knowing which ends of the process each resolution acts. Resolution 2006-B033 refers to the consents given by bishops and standing committees after the election of a bishop by a diocese. Resolution 2009-D033 talks about many things, but says that access to the discernment process for any ministry (lay, ordained) is open to all. That is what the canon says, using the word "all." That very same canon points out there is no right to ordination or licensing. Even if 2006-B033 were to be repealed (and it wasn't), the canons of the Episcopal Church would still allow a bishop or a diocesan standing committee to withhold consent to the consecrating of a bishop whose lifestyle caused heartburn (there was a paraphrase from B033 in there). While the final results are not in yet, we are seeing the withholding of consents in the episcopal (bishop) election in Northern Michigan--and it isn't sexuality that is causing the heartburn. We'll probably know before August if Northern Michigan did receive enough consents to proceed. All of the brouhaha has caused one thing to happen in the Episcopal Church. Bishops have openly discussing withholding consents (Northern Michigan), something that gentlemen just didn't do before. Whether or not you agree with the case in Northern Michigan, it looks like those spines have grown back. (Old joke: What is the operation of the Spirit in the consecration of a bishop? Removal of the spine.) The “confusion” comes from not knowing which ends of the process each resolution acts.

Resolution 2006-B033 refers to the consents given by bishops and standing committees after the election of a bishop by a diocese.

Resolution 2009-D033 talks about many things, but says that access to the discernment process for any ministry (lay, ordained) is open to all. That is what the canon says, using the word “all.” That very same canon points out there is no right to ordination or licensing.

Even if 2006-B033 were to be repealed (and it wasn’t), the canons of the Episcopal Church would still allow a bishop or a diocesan standing committee to withhold consent to the consecrating of a bishop whose lifestyle caused heartburn (there was a paraphrase from B033 in there). While the final results are not in yet, we are seeing the withholding of consents in the episcopal (bishop) election in Northern Michigan–and it isn’t sexuality that is causing the heartburn. We’ll probably know before August if Northern Michigan did receive enough consents to proceed.

All of the brouhaha has caused one thing to happen in the Episcopal Church. Bishops have openly discussing withholding consents (Northern Michigan), something that gentlemen just didn’t do before. Whether or not you agree with the case in Northern Michigan, it looks like those spines have grown back.

(Old joke: What is the operation of the Spirit in the consecration of a bishop? Removal of the spine.)

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