Comments on: The Listening Day – the way forward http://www.thurible.net/20080506/the-listening-day-the-way-forward/ The Blog of the Provost of St Mary's Cathedral, Glasgow Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:21:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Phil http://www.thurible.net/20080506/the-listening-day-the-way-forward/#comment-5398 Phil Wed, 14 May 2008 07:32:18 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=5440#comment-5398 Sorry to be late with this comment - I did write it a week ago but never finished it; Life is hectic at the moment. I have to say I didn't notice the Bishops' badges but it doesn't surprise me. I did notice that all the badges were printed in a very small font and, given the mean age at the Listening Day must have been over 50 years and therefore many participants were likely to be suffering from some form of visual impairment (self included!), this was not very sensitive to people's needs. In itself this is a minor criticism but coupled with the lack of a hearing loop, no signer and the steps up to the main entrance of the venue, it suggests that the SEC as an organisation doesn't take equality issues in relation to disability seriously, never mind sexualities. It's about the culture of the organisation. Sorry to be late with this comment – I did write it a week ago but never finished it; Life is hectic at the moment. I have to say I didn’t notice the Bishops’ badges but it doesn’t surprise me. I did notice that all the badges were printed in a very small font and, given the mean age at the Listening Day must have been over 50 years and therefore many participants were likely to be suffering from some form of visual impairment (self included!), this was not very sensitive to people’s needs. In itself this is a minor criticism but coupled with the lack of a hearing loop, no signer and the steps up to the main entrance of the venue, it suggests that the SEC as an organisation doesn’t take equality issues in relation to disability seriously, never mind sexualities. It’s about the culture of the organisation.

]]> By: pam r http://www.thurible.net/20080506/the-listening-day-the-way-forward/#comment-5374 pam r Thu, 08 May 2008 21:28:12 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=5440#comment-5374 there were many good things about the listening day, but I felt curiously depressed afterwards and think one reason was because of that very lack of mutuality which others have remarked on. This kind of listening seems as if it should be the way forward, and yet something is missing. Perhaps, as you say, Kelvin, it was very costly for some and not costly enough for others. What was missing? passionate debate? realness? determination to love and endure with those with whom we cannot agree? there were many good things about the listening day, but I felt curiously depressed afterwards and think one reason was because of that very lack of mutuality which others have remarked on. This kind of listening seems as if it should be the way forward, and yet something is missing. Perhaps, as you say, Kelvin, it was very costly for some and not costly enough for others. What was missing? passionate debate? realness? determination to love and endure with those with whom we cannot agree?

]]> By: Bishop David http://www.thurible.net/20080506/the-listening-day-the-way-forward/#comment-5372 Bishop David Wed, 07 May 2008 22:33:12 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=5440#comment-5372 Yes I agree with most of that. Certainly for the bishops, the act of attempting to articulate the tensions and difficulties might help to clarify them! And yes - I am tending to worry more about post-Lambeth than about Lambeth itself. Yes I agree with most of that. Certainly for the bishops, the act of attempting to articulate the tensions and difficulties might help to clarify them! And yes – I am tending to worry more about post-Lambeth than about Lambeth itself.

]]> By: Rev Ruth http://www.thurible.net/20080506/the-listening-day-the-way-forward/#comment-5368 Rev Ruth Wed, 07 May 2008 16:14:37 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=5440#comment-5368 I'm with you on that one. As long as the 'right' people organise it this time. Can you say more about the 'divorce' issue? I’m with you on that one. As long as the ‘right’ people organise it this time.

Can you say more about the ‘divorce’ issue?

]]> By: Kimberly http://www.thurible.net/20080506/the-listening-day-the-way-forward/#comment-5362 Kimberly Tue, 06 May 2008 21:29:43 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=5440#comment-5362 yes, it seems good ('to the Holy Spirit and to us'?) yes, it seems good (‘to the Holy Spirit and to us’?)

]]> By: kelvin http://www.thurible.net/20080506/the-listening-day-the-way-forward/#comment-5360 kelvin Tue, 06 May 2008 21:20:51 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=5440#comment-5360 Thank you all for your comments. Don't worry Beat Attitude these things happen. (But it does make an 'ell of a difference). Those name badges seem to be what is catching the attention. Seems like there is no dissent from what I was proposing as a way forward, which was really quite important. Can I take it that we are all agreed then? Thank you all for your comments. Don’t worry Beat Attitude these things happen. (But it does make an ‘ell of a difference).

Those name badges seem to be what is catching the attention. Seems like there is no dissent from what I was proposing as a way forward, which was really quite important.

Can I take it that we are all agreed then?

]]> By: MadPriest http://www.thurible.net/20080506/the-listening-day-the-way-forward/#comment-5359 MadPriest Tue, 06 May 2008 20:50:30 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=5440#comment-5359 If your bishops are anything like ours, they do spend an awful amount of time away from their dioceses and the priests they are supposed to be looking after. So perhaps the badges are there as a reminder for themselves of where they live. If your bishops are anything like ours, they do spend an awful amount of time away from their dioceses and the priests they are supposed to be looking after. So perhaps the badges are there as a reminder for themselves of where they live.

]]> By: Beat Attitude http://www.thurible.net/20080506/the-listening-day-the-way-forward/#comment-5357 Beat Attitude Tue, 06 May 2008 19:04:13 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=5440#comment-5357 Kelvin ooooooooooooooooooops. How incredibly rude! Sorry. You may refer to me as "beast" if that evens the score;-) Kelvin ooooooooooooooooooops. How incredibly rude! Sorry. You may refer to me as “beast” if that evens the score;-)

]]> By: Kimberly http://www.thurible.net/20080506/the-listening-day-the-way-forward/#comment-5354 Kimberly Tue, 06 May 2008 13:15:18 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=5440#comment-5354 One of the games clergy sometimes have to play is 'how do I address the bishop today?' With a certain bishop, I use the wineglass test. If no one is holding one, then assume you should be formal. One of the games clergy sometimes have to play is ‘how do I address the bishop today?’

With a certain bishop, I use the wineglass test. If no one is holding one, then assume you should be formal.

]]> By: Ryan Dunne http://www.thurible.net/20080506/the-listening-day-the-way-forward/#comment-5353 Ryan Dunne Tue, 06 May 2008 12:36:46 +0000 http://www.thurible.net/?p=5440#comment-5353 "Kevin"?! Your pedestrian St.Silasness is showing Greg ;-). “Kevin”?! Your pedestrian St.Silasness is showing Greg ;-) .

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